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6:36pm 08-02-2021

Randall

Location (State or Country)

CA

The man who can no longer take sides because all men are necessarily right and wrong, because everything is at once justified and irrational-—that man must renounce his own name, tread his identity underfoot, and begin a new life in impassibility or despair. Or otherwise, invent another genre of solitude, expatriate himself in the void, and pursue—by means of one exile or another—the stages of uprootedness. Released from all prejudices, he becomes the unusable man par excellence, to whom no one turns and whom no one fears because he admits and repudiates everything with the same detachment. Less dangerous than a heedless insect, he is nonetheless a scourge for Life, for it has vanished from his vocabulary, with the seven days of the Creation. And Life would forgive him, if at least he relished Chaos, which is where Life began. But he denies the feverish origins, beginning with his own, and preserves, with regard to the world, only a cold memory, a polite regret. (From denial to denial, his existence is diminished: vaguer and more unreal than a syllogism of sighs, how could he still be a creature of flesh and blood? Anemic, he rivals the Idea itself; he has abstracted himself from his ancestors, from his friends, from every soul and himself; in his veins, once turbulent, rests a light from another world. Liberated from what he has lived, unconcerned by what he will live, he demolishes the signposts on all his roads, and wrests himself from the dials of all time. “I shall never meet myself again,” he decides, happy to turn his last hatred against himself, happier still to annihilate—in his forgiveness— all beings, all things.)
—A Short History of Decay | E. M. Cioran

2:53pm 07-16-2021

Randall

Location (State or Country)

CA

Proponents of two leading theories of consciousness are trying to develop tests for their models, in a hitherto baffling field

https://mindmatters.ai/2021/07/will-we-soon-be-able-to-test-theories-of-consciousness/

2:51pm 07-16-2021

Randall

Location (State or Country)

CA

Ironically, the illusion you strove to escape is now something you must learn to nurture and cultivate. It's exceedingly delicate, like sleeping when you're not tired. You lay there and close your eyes and try to let the dreams come, but you can't fall asleep again. Any thought, any sound, any disturbance, and you snap back into alertness and the delicate dreamworld vanishes as if it was never really there.
—Jed | Dreamstate: A Conspiracy Theory

2:48pm 07-10-2021

Tom

Location (State or Country)

WA

If you are awake and paying attention, you may well find that communication with others primarily brings about a validation of the understanding that you are utterly alone

Replied on: 9:03pm 08-02-2021

Dear Tom,

I would simply add "and you are totally fine with that" at the end.

2:44pm 06-27-2021

Randall

Location (State or Country)

CA

I am not trying to sell anything here. It is impossible for you to simulate this. This is a thing that has happened outside the field, the area, in which I expected, dreamed and wanted change, so I don’t call this a ‘change’. I really don’t know what has happened to me. What I am telling you is the way I am functioning. There seems to be some difference between the way you are functioning and the way I am functioning, but basically there can’t be any difference. How can there be any difference between you and me? There can’t be; but from the way we are trying to express ourselves, there seems to be. I have the feeling that there is some difference, and what that difference is is all that I am trying to understand. So, this is the way I am functioning.
—Jed McKenna

6:07pm 06-15-2021

Randall

Location (State or Country)

CA

Mircea

Based on my perspective the reason why your Infinite I has affected you so, is, so that you can see how you feed "I cannot work and enjoy life" with emotional energy allowing you the opportunity to begin withdrawing that energy and begin changing in ways much more liberating.

Randy

8:49pm 06-06-2021

Mircea

Location (State or Country)

București

I've been diagnosed bipolar at 27 and now I'm 43. My life has been so changed by this that I cannot work and enjoy life as before. Why do you think my Infinite I decided to affect me so much?

Replied on: 5:23pm 06-07-2021

Dear Mircea,

I'm the last person you should ask this question of, for lots of reasons.... like, I have no idea - and even less of an idea than you, since it is your Infinite I choosing that experience for you. If anyone is going to uncover the answer to that question, it's you - and even then I doubt it.

In the Preface to Part 3 of my book, I said, "Robert Scheinfeld says when you move into the second half of the Human Game (which he calls 'Phase 2'), there’s no point any more to ask 'Why;' and there are some good reasons for that. You can’t think your way out of this Game; it isn’t a matter of understanding, but of feeling; asking 'why' can often be a diversion, a distraction from doing the Process itself; and the answer to 'why' really doesn’t matter and won’t change anything."

That said, it's a very common question, especially for those who perceive their current state as more difficult that a previous state. I would assume Stephen Hawking asked Why about his ALS disease numerous times, but it's also obvious at some point he gave up needing to know and continued making huge contributions to our understanding of physics.

And I will admit to asking Why about a number of physical limitations I am experiencing. So I can tell you with absolute certainty... it's FUTILE. Move on to another question as quickly as you can.

10:22pm 05-27-2021

Randall

Location (State or Country)

CA

Tom — a very satisfying response, thank you

10:42pm 05-25-2021

Tom

Location (State or Country)

WA

Randall,

This I (me) a false self, was listening to Nisargaddata Maharaj this morning in a YOUTUBE presentation titled "Be devoted to the love ("I AM) which is listening. At about the 58 minute mark Maharaj says this

"You believe yourself to be in the world, but the world is projected through us"; sound familiar?

Partially because of communication difficulties, and probably also because Stephen genuinely recognizes that it may be called for, Stephen has advised me to do spiritual autolysis with respect to a "belief" I have that there is something to be learned from Hinduism. The mud is thick and it there is tremendous pull to become stuck in what have the appearance of "solutions". Thank you Stephen.

It is a pointer to the dream like nature of this illusion that I'm experiencing that Stephen was introduced to spiritual autolysis by Jed McKenna, that Jed McKenna put the name "Spiritual Autolysis" to the destruction of self which he had found through Nisargadatta Majaraj, who had been introduced to this spiritual self-destruction -through his path that is heavily influenced by Hinduism, which Stephen is kind to advise me to avoid becoming mired in.

Randall I don't have enough familiarity with the Bhagavad Gita to recall specifically the words which "startled" me. But there is a dialogue between Krishna and Arjuna in which Krishna very clearly is saying "you are not the doer".

That dialogue might be looked upon as a discussion about "free-will". To apply that term "free-will" to Krishna's words in the Gita would be an oversimplification of it, but its reasonable to say that that term applies and to explore from there. That dialogue that one is "not the doer" is not something I expected to find. It "startled" me. Twain's discussion of this in Stranger has captivated me and in my wanderings elsewhere I have been drawn to discussions about this-and then there it was in the Bhagavad Gita.

While it isn't an example from the Gita- I've told you in maybe different words that images which have a distinctly "Hindu" feel (such as a Hamsa) "startled" me because they've been part of "visions" I've had. I will leave it to you to surmise what might have been at play to cause such visions (I think you can figure it out).

I don't have any more examples to share at this time. I would have to think and I want to take a break from thinking and writing. I'd like to do some reading and I find Stephen's discussions about extra-terrestrials to be super fun and interesting and I'm sure to read more of it.

1:24pm 05-25-2021

Tom

Location (State or Country)

WA

Thanks for allowing my string of posts Stephen and for being part of my understanding (beginning in about 2012 if I'm recalling correctly) that we do not make choices about our experiences. Also I'm glad you've reintroduced the word "unlearning". It is nice when these things loop back around and play a role in my present experience.

In my hologram some religions including Hinduism, Judaism and Christianity, and Buddhism are very "worth their weight" (ponderous as it is). This is because (in my hologram) these are what might be called "the arc of the covenant". These religions carry the ancient writings through time, misinterpreting the message, changing the words (until mere threads of the original voice or story remains), and killing and maiming and bothering relatives at parties and otherwise carrying on in the name of them. But they do preserve at least shards of the messages and that has made all the difference for me.

I'm not in a religion, so when I read words in the Gospel of St Matthew 6-26 thru 6-34 which begin with Jesus saying "Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them..." That is not about learning but rather the unlearning you mention. Specifically these words have played a part in unlearning that I provide for myself and must work and scheme and worry. When I encountered your work the impact of these words was magnified manifold. I'm having similar experiences with unlearning through the Bhagavad Gita and I'd be glad to read more works from India, preserved through time by Hinduism. I tried reading the Bhagavad Gita in about 2003 and it was just words, which I soon tired of and I left it. But partly as a function of my acquaintance with your work, the meaning behind the dialogue between Arjuna and Krishna has opened up. Also, I recognize aspects in which the words of the Bhagavad Gita are limiting.

I think if I write any more then here I'll just be digging the hole of "trying to be understood", which there's not bottom to.

This moderated forum of yours is as cool as it gets and its quite a treat to have gotten to chat with you directly through many posts over the years.

Replied on: 3:23pm 05-25-2021

Dear Tom,

As I said, if it's your excitement to walk down the path of Hinduism, GO FOR IT! My advice in my book to anyone is to follow your excitement, and you'll get no judgment from me as long as you do. May I simply suggest that you drop some rose pedals as you go in case you want to find your way back at some point.

12:07pm 05-25-2021

Randall

Location (State or Country)

CA

I'm very interested in this dialogue between Stephen and Tom.

Tom, you say "I'm startled by a number of Hindu concepts so far and fascinated. It also has an enjoyable exotic feel to it." I've read you comment (s) over and over and that's what keeps catching my eye. The word "startled" seems to be a very strong word I used to pay very close attention to. I am interested in hearing more from you, if you'd care to share, on what you mean when using the term startled "by a number of Hindu concepts."

Thanks

12:03am 05-24-2021

Tom

Location (State or Country)

WA

When I say "if anyone cared to hear my advice" it is meant as a statement about liking the idea of disinterest in feeling attached to being heard.

This I (me) has experienced a comparatively great increase in peace, in a sort of step-change manner (sudden, abrupt and noticeable in (I think) the past year -not "blowing emotional energy" (as Jed puts it).

Maybe I'm bogged down with learning and don't realize it and perhaps spiritual autolysis on that is called for and it is now my intention to examine this and to do some on it. Maharaj says there's nothing to learn, Jed McKenna says there's nothing to learn and Stephen Davis seems to be saying there's nothing to learn. Yet all seem to be teaching, or explaining. You mention the bible and you are obviously intimately acquainted with at least parts of it; so can you comment on how that fits in with there being nothing to learn from it?

Not that you've suggested it, but I don't see a reason to try to weed the appearance of Hindu symbolism out of visions I've had or out of dreams. I can't help it that when Hindu symbols "pop up" and that these have an instantaneous and enjoyable effect on me. It seems though that I now share something with those who originally made those images.

I don't think Hinduism is "downplayed" in the West by you and others I listen to (with a couple of exceptions). Rather than "downplaying" I notice that its concepts aren't referenced nearly as frequently as the bible and Chrisitianity or Buddhism.

I'm startled by a number of Hindu concepts so far and fascinated. It also has an enjoyable exotic feel to it.

Stephen, why do you say there should there be millions of success stories? There should be the number of success stories that there are. From time to time I interpret that you are saying that there should be a sea-change in how humans behave. I've explored this with you a few times and the information exchange has never felt complete- it may just come down that exploring these concepts is how you enjoy expressing yourself. At one point you and I seemed to gather around the idea of "after all, one is going to find their self up to something; so why not that?" That is my thinking in terms of these experiences I've described regarding Hindu writings, philosophy and imagery.

Replied on: 1:36pm 05-24-2021

Dear Tom,

When I say "there is nothing to learn," I could just as easily be saying "there is a lot to UNlearn." "Learning" implies studying and discovering something you do not already know. And that's not the point once you understand that we live in a holographic universe and do not choose our experiences. After that, your only job is to UNlearn (let go of) all those opinions, beliefs, judgments and fears that distort your perceptions and support the ego.

If Hinduism, or any other religion, was worth its weight, it would have been helping mankind do this for the thousands of years of its existence and would have produced "millions of success stories" already. None have, because all have distorted the truth(s) and promoted even more and more beliefs, keeping us entombed in Plato's Cave. Why "learn" the distorted truth(s) when you have the chance to let go of those false beliefs that lead nowhere?

But please don't take my word for it. If it excites you to dive deep into Hinduism, please go for it... 100%.

4:51pm 05-23-2021

Tom

Location (State or Country)

WA

I don't hold any beliefs. I don't find any beliefs attractive. I can see what I think are errors in understanding from the pen of the writers of both the Bhagavad Gita and in parts of the bible. Like much of the Bible, the Gita is metaphor and poetry. Some of it is visions and I'm seeing that there is something to that.

From what I'm reading the Gita is older than the bible. Maybe a lot older.

Also in Hinduism I'm seeing talk about other planets. You don't get any of that as far as I recall in the bible.

I've been completely ignorant of Hinduism in spite of what I'm now realizing is its profound effect on the teachings of my "gurus" here in the west (I mean all of them). Its fun and exciting to have this open up and the Hindu symbolism showing up in dreams and visions is really odd and cool.

For a lot of us, Krishnamurti is the closest direct link to Hinduism but Nisargadatta Maharaj is probably a lot more useful for most. Now that I've listened to dozens of hours of his teaching, it's plain as the nose on my face that Jed McKenna is a student of Maharaj, I'm suspecting maybe a direct student.

My advice would be (if anyone cared to hear my advice) to listen to Nisargadatta Maharaj and play with the concepts he introduces. Realize that like the bible, the Gita and other Hindu works have a lot of metaphor. Keep an open mind to what can be learned from Hinduism and leave what isn't of interest to you.

There's no risk.

Replied on: 9:04pm 05-23-2021

Dear Tom,

I hope you don't think my remarks were in any way downplaying Hinduism in favor of the Bible or Christianity. Quite the contrary, I would say exactly the same thing to anyone writing about their excitement in reading the Bible and discovering its metaphors.

How do I say this... you suggest that we "keep an open mind to what can be learned from Hinduism and leave what isn't of interest to you," and I suggest there is nothing to be learned from Hinduism or the Bible - principally because there is nothing to be learned, period. That is another trap set by age-old religions who - if they were worth anything - should have millions more positive examples of success to present to us after all these years.

Again, try running Spiritual Autolysis on your belief (which you claim you don't have) that "There is something to be learned," period.

12:21am 05-23-2021

Tom

Location (State or Country)

WA

I think Gsil's comment is super-interesting. I am seeing a convergence of my life with Hindu teachings, culture and mysticism at an exponential rate these days. So for me, when Gsil references Advaita Vedanta, it is time to pay attention.

Western notions of spirituality seem to me to be heavily influenced by Hinduism (I have new ears for George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord" these days). Gurus in the west are saying things that come from Hinduism without even realizing it.

The influences are ancient and so it is natural that the links are forgotten.

This week I've been reading the Bhagavad Gita and two references in it startled me.

The first is the story of Karna, whose mother, the adopted daughter of a king, is forced to set him afloat in a basket on the Ganges, he is found and adopted by foster parents from a low caste. This is just a bit too close to the story of Moses to be a coincidence.

The second is the story of Krishna who is depicted as both God and man. In his infancy Krishna and all his siblings are targeted by the tyrant ruler Kamsa, because fortune tellers have advised Kamsa that a child will be born of a certain woman and ultimately kill him. This is very close to the infanticide doled out by King Herod who had children slaughtered when he learned that one of the infants (Jesus) would ultimately become the king of the Jews.

So I think that either the stories of Moses and Jesus were simply taken from Hinduism, or that these events repeated in history. In either case it is astonishing for this information to be reaching me.

I also learned today that Mark Twain spent time in India and so now Twain's book, "The Mysterious Stranger" (the quintessential guide to human-ness) makes so much more sense to me. That book exposes the dream-like nature of this experience. That and Twain's expose on free-will are right out of the Gita.

About six months ago, before I had any conscious exposure to Hinduism, I started seeing Hindu symbolism in dreams and visions. These symbols then started showing up in "this reality".

All of it is in sync with your work on the Holographic Universe and on the model of the Infinite-I, for which I am humbly grateful.

Replied on: 2:24pm 05-23-2021

Dear Tom,

As I said in my book, there are some truth(s) in virtually all religions. However, there are also very serious degradations of those truth(s) which provide the trap to keep people (ostensibly) chained in Plato's cave (the theater).

I'm not suggesting that you ignore Hinduism, but I AM suggesting that you be very careful and use extreme caution and discernment as you progress through the cocoon. In fact, it might be a good idea to run Spiritual Autolysis on those Hindu beliefs you find attractive and see what happens. It's just possible that the Ego is offering you a distraction while you're so vulnerable in the cocoon. The risk is that you will chase something out of the cocoon and fall perilously to the ground before transforming into a butterfly.

9:51am 05-21-2021

Sebastian

Location (State or Country)

Poland

Stephen,
Thank you for your reply. I always read your words with smile on my face.
The "ancestor simulations" is awesome! I'll deep into it today. Thank you!
Now I know why my Infinite I created this idea to write the below message. Or maybe I don't know yet.
Is doesn't matter to be fair.
Stephen can I ask you, what do you think about this situation we have now on the planet? I try to remember this is all not real, but I feel I do not understand this fully...
Wil you take the vaccine?
No problem if you don't want to answer.
Kind Regards
Sebastian

Replied on: 1:44pm 05-21-2021

Dear Sebastian,

There are many "situations we have now on the planet." So I don't know which one you want me to comment on, or why my comment makes any difference. What YOU perceive is the only important thing, and any opinions, beliefs, judgments, and fears that color that perception.

I will say, however, that I think we are getting closer and closer to having the alien presence come alive in our hologram, which is exciting and going to change things significantly.

And yes, I have been vaccinated, for a number of reasons. First and foremost, I have no fear of the vaccination. Secondly, it is an entirely new type of vaccination (mRNA) which does not inject actual live virus into the body like the old-style vaccinations do (which I have always refused). Thirdly, I have speculated that the vaccine is part of preparing us for the alien arrival (https://morefromthekid.blogspot.com/)...

ME: So you're saying that we all need to be vaccinated for COVID-19 to allow the aliens to visit?

KID: That's exactly what I'm saying - that the COVID-19 vaccination will serve a dual purpose of protecting you against COVID-19 as well as giving you immunity to this alien virus.

Although, it might well be the other way around, where we need the vaccine to protect the aliens from us.

Nuff said?

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