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2:12am 09-18-2019
Tom

Location (State or Country)

Greece
Hey Angie, I'm glad to see that my conjuring is working because I was writing about folks here and about my fondness for this group (in spite of the shadowy nature of these selfs including yours truly) and your name was in the writing and poof you immediately post.

Well I have some exciting news.

I found out that I do indeed have advice for others. I didn't think that it was appropriate, or that I could ever know what would be the thing to do for some self other than this self.

But after some deliberation I realize that I do have advice about what you should do.

Do the next thing
Replied on: 12:01pm 09-18-2019

Dear Tom,

Great book title!

10:43pm 09-16-2019
Angie

Location (State or Country)

Texas
Stephen, hello. I've slowed down. I've slowed down a bunch.
Looking back I can see and understand how frantic I felt after finishing this book. Time was not on my side. I did not want to have to 'come back here ever again' or waste anymore of *my* time.

I am still in my cocoon and believe I will be in here for a great while- however long that is anyway. I am enjoying reading the codes along the path once more. I have been listening, reading, and watching other teachings or models. I am looking for treasures and finding clues, its all great fun, there is so much information I can pluck here and there and everywhere really. I am working on myself, though the bad days are pretty bad. I am excited.

I am still very confused about finding the truth or telling the truth about a lot of opinions fears etc., there are some that I think and think about and I just do not know. What can I do about these? Did you encounter these 'dead ends' and if so do we just let them be?
Replied on: 6:31pm 09-21-2019

Dear Angie,

Honestly, although no one wants to hear this, if Spiritual Autolysis is done correctly and completely, there will be no "dead ends." But this is really hard. I really recommend that you (and everyone) (re-)read the excerpts from Julie's Spiritual Autolysis in Jed McKenna's "Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment." The paperback is on sale now at wisefoolpress.com.

In a nutshell, you take the opinion, belief, judgment or fear you uncovered using The Process and WRITE IT DOWN. Then you WRITE DOWN the question, "Is That True?" Then you start WRITING DOWN every single thought that comes into your head, including: "I'm hungry." "I like pizza." "This is boring." And you keep WRITING DOWN every thought until one of those thoughts gives you an 'Ah-Hah moment," and your perspective changes on something. If this change in perspective allows you to let go of the opinion, belief, judgment, or fear you started with, and you can see that part of the ego that was giving that opinion, belief, judgment or fear a home - and let go of that part of the ego - then you're done with that SA. If not, you can take a break and come back and continue the same SA later.

I hope it is obvious that WRITING DOWN is extremely important. This is not an intellectual exercise you can do all in your head.

This is not directed at you, Angie, but a reminder for anyone having any trouble in the cocoon.

1:49pm 09-16-2019
Simone

Location (State or Country)

Caribbean
FYI - I have always run the process on any discomfort and seen the effect. However Spiritual Autolysis did cease.

Back to work.
Replied on: 3:44pm 09-16-2019

Dear Simone,

Just living in this holographic universe is bound to create a certain amount of discomfort from time to time - even for a butterfly. So running The Process and doing Spiritual Autolysis are things we will all do for the rest of our lives (just not as frequently when you are a butterfly).

Running The Process only gets you so far - identifying the beliefs, judgments, and fears that are causing the discomfort. But you can't stop there because those beliefs, judgments and fears are still with you - they're just visible now. Spiritual Autolysis is the thing that allows you to let go of those beliefs, judgments and fears, and the part of the ego that was giving them a home. So Spiritual Autolysis will be your lifelong companion. Best to get used to it now.

1:47pm 09-16-2019
Simone

Location (State or Country)

Caribbean
This thing is so funny, I had been looking out for a response for days, did not realize that you had already responded below.

This morning I was compelled to begin Spiritual Autolysis once again as it appeared to be the only option. I suppose as things began to occur even though I knew I wasn't 'there' yet I assumed that part of my 'work' was done.

I step away for a minute from SA to breathe, back to your page and decided to scroll down (I was assuming my comment would have been the most recent) and there it is. Your response and suggestion to return to Spiritual Autolysis.

I laughed.

With gratitude, the work continues, further.
11:13pm 09-12-2019
Jake

Location (State or Country)

England
Dear Tom,

Which cult were you part of? Liberation Unleashed? Beware of these cults. Each person has their own truth, make up your own.

Blessings.
Replied on: 8:28am 09-13-2019

Dear Jake,

Not sure of your response to Tom, who was simply trying to give you the benefit of his experience with this Model. And the "cult" he mentioned was the same one that set up Plato's Cave and convinced people that they were chained and couldn't escape.

And definitely not sure about your advice to "make up your own" truth. That sounds a lot like creating your own belief system, which is exactly the opposite of what this Model is all about. Uncovering the truth of who you really are and what your holographic experience really consists of when you strip away all the beliefs, judgments fears, and ego - now that's language I can understand and support.

11:10pm 09-12-2019
Lana

Location (State or Country)

Us
if it was the experts that said it then it's not a theory you thought up through watching those. So maybe you don't totally believe each statement made since video 1, maybe some things you do tho, as theories since that time have changed So, could you care to link me up the expert that said about the brain downloading these from the field 6 seconds prior? As I couldnt find the expert mentioning 'download' , he just mentioned about the redline potential and how our brains would make decisions before us being aware of them. I want to see the part where he mentions the brain downloading stuff, I want to study it to see if I have understood the theory .
Replied on: 8:38am 09-13-2019

Dear Lana,

Yes, I stand by what I said in all five parts of my video workshop series, since there has been no research that has convinced me to change my mind. Nor have any of the experts I feature come out and retracted their statements. You can find all the references you need on my webpage. But if you think you have to understand all of quantum physics before you start testing the model in your own life, then that's simply the ego talking (as I mentioned before) trying to protect its own existence.

It sounds like you might be uncomfortable with the idea that our holographic experiences are a projection first and then perception. So I suggest you run The Process and do Spiritual Autolysis on that and see what comes up for you, because this is a hands on Model and not some intellectual exercise.

9:02pm 09-12-2019
Simone

Location (State or Country)

Caribbean
Stephen,

Firing off a flare gun. I think I am lost.

I did the work, years of it. From the theater to all the ones in the back of the theater to Robert Scheinfeld, Jed Mckenna and finally you. I was done, and ready to enter the second half. I relented, surrendered, even genuinely laughed at my own silliness of being in theater seat, enjoying my new freedom. Nothing had changed except me.

I think it was the second half, just me, just my infinite I, no out there out there. Then amazing things began to occur, an opportunity I longed for years before but was not 'trying to make happen' came to me with ease. I made arrangements and was back on a flight to live once again in a place I fell in love with, England, to pursue something I never thought I would actually be able to do. I even met and now had a girlfriend, an interesting beautiful creature who wanted nothing more than to be by my side.

Then, everything else was fun, except the girlfriend, sometimes fun, sometimes not, but I knew it wasn't real so it was okay. Love? I carried on, it became increasingly not fun, then it all crashed, again except for my own part, that one I knocked out of the park. But I found myself doing too much for someone who was doing too little in return till I was fully exhausted without even realizing how much. Forced to leave, back in the environment I was so happy to walk away from, taking care of an ailing man who is called 'dad' but there is no relationship, with all sorts of demands being place on me as a result of the messes he has made of his experience, not treated well, broke, in debt, jobless with what appears to be little options, (I've been here before) judged, and alone as she discarded me and immediately moved on to the next, once I was no longer of use. It was not real yes, okay, but it was also a lie. Terms like narcissist and sociopath, co-dependent and boundaries once again appearing in my experience. Not fun at all. Felt the most hideous pain I have ever felt before and there was a lot in the first half. The 'reality' of betrayal now also appearing in my experience like I had not seen before.

This cannot be fun for my infinite, The second half? I don't know. The back of the theater definitely not, back in the theater, no idea, lost somewhere along the path, but yet I can still say and feel thank you. I am still here, I have somewhere somewhat comfortable to live, I've got food, I just don't know where I am. Meditation is unappealing though I dabble. Any thought of any kind of 'self' work abhorrent.

None of it makes sense, the people I see now and interact with drain me, they are odd characters all burdened with drama and 'problems' and 'medicating' in some way, they are untrustworthy, 'negative' and seek to use, said without judgement of any of these things being 'bad' they just are. I feel disconnected from my infinite who I once felt so connected to before. I speak but my voice is unfamiliar and each day is strange, like 'my' life was stolen from me.

If you can see my flare, send help. With gratitude.
Replied on: 8:52am 09-13-2019

Dear Simone,

"Any thought of any kind of 'self' work abhorrent." But you must know that changing your reaction/response to your holographic experiences is the only thing you have the free will and ability to do. You're not going to change your circumstances or the people or places or things happening around you. So the only flare I can send up is to shine the light on the fact (I must assume) that you are not running The Process or doing Spiritual Autolysis on the intense discomfort you are encountering in your life.

I can't do anything for you except tell you that it is the Work that gets you to the Pacific Ocean, and without doing the Work, the trail through the Rockies can be unbearable and much too difficult. But you obviously chose to take this path at some point in the past, and it served you well until you hit the mountains. You can try to turn around and head back where you were before you started, or you can buckle down and really start doing The Process and Spiritual Autolysis (again?) to get you over the Rockies.

Good luck.

3:32am 09-12-2019
Tom

Location (State or Country)

Greece
Hey Jake,

I appreciate you mentioning me. Its fun to write here.

If someone asks "what do you think the self is?" I can't provide an instant answer to that. Each time I think about it I have to try to remember what I have learned about the self. Then I will recall that I do not know what the self is. Further I don't think it is possible to know. But Stephen has provided a model for what he thinks it is; a player in a game. I think this model is very useful.

I don't even know enough to say that there is no self. That is because is not a truth for me to say that because I don't understand what it means to say "there is no me" and variations of that.

I have though come to understand some things about what the self is not, and that shocked me. Since I am a product of the society it is my natural tendency to continually embrace a false idea of the self. But that seems to be fading.

I have come to understand that the self is not in control. The cult had taught me that the very definition of the self was an agency that controlled. It was quite a shock to see that this understanding is false.

I would like to write more, but right now it is obvious to me that that which does control, which Stephen has called the Infinite I has a lot of exciting things for me to do. And so I recognize this flow and that it is swift and I wish to flow with it, without the thinking that there is a better path, and so I won't delay here now by writing more.
Replied on: 1:11pm 09-12-2019

Dear Tom,

Excellent reminders that our first job in the cocoon is to find out "who I am NOT," and then to recognize who IS in charge, and get the ego out of the way enough to accept that. Essentially, that's what The Process and Spiritual Autolysis are designed to do.

But I always like it when someone brings us back to the basics. So even though your comment was directed at Jake, I appreciate it for myself.

3:48pm 09-11-2019
Lana

Location (State or Country)

Us
I can't post the answer here, so I posted here:
https://anotepad.com/notes/jkd4s3j
Hope you answer me here. Thanks!
Replied on: 7:56pm 09-11-2019

Dear Lana,

I have re-read your comment on the other page quiet a few times, and I have come to the conclusion that you are arguing that there IS an "out there" out there, which you then believe is perceived by the eyes, as opposed to being projected "out there" by the eyes. As I said in the beginning, if you disagree with something the experts are saying that I am reporting on, you will have to get in touch and argue with them. "There is no out there out there" is NOT my model or my creation. So I can only say that it is my understanding that everything we experience happens INSIDE the brain (for example, in the visual cortex) and is then projected "out there" for us to perceive on the "big screen." And I believe I have presented the case for that quite fully, citing various experts.

Honestly, your write-up sounds a lot like an ego trying to distract you from starting to do the work necessary to begin letting go of beliefs, judgments and fears that are keeping you chained inside Plato's Cave. And that is not something I am excited about participating in.

If I have misunderstood and you are asking a question rather than arguing with me about what the experts are saying, I apologize and invite you to try again, hopefully being able to state your question more clearly the next time.

12:42am 09-11-2019
Jake

Location (State or Country)

England
Tom, the self is not going to be destroyed because the self is not made of matter to be destroyed or not, but it can die, nonetheless. Whether finite I's exist or not. *which they don't*
11:52pm 09-10-2019
Lana

Location (State or Country)

Us
Let me ask you something.
Here at 22:10 https://youtu.be/Ah-vvVVgYmA
You claim that the consciousness fo our brains so that our brains can translate "project" holograms as "movies", and the image you show of 'eyes' projecting something out there, as if our eyes were projecting holograms, instead of our eyes receiving wavelenght and detecting light, outside-in.
Well, that directly contradicts how glasses work, I use glasses myself, and glasses work by altering the direction of light rays to focus light properly onto the retina, it's outside-in, not inside-out, if it were inside-out, no glasses would ever exist, AT ALL, actually, we wouldn't even have eye vision problems, myopia wouldn't exist and so on.

I guess, you meant something else, i guess so, despite I didn't see no physicist mentioning holographic universe theory to be synonymous for "movie" or "total immersion 3d glasses", as both movies and 3d glasses were created by humans, and the universe is prior these concepts.

But just to finish, I guess there must be something that sends signals to reality and translates reality for our eyes to see (and not for our brains 6 seconds prior anything), it must be there, otherwise eye problems and glasses wouldn't be needed. That would fix the paradox of vision in your theory. Please, don't mention other people, the whole model was created by you and I already studied all the people you said in the video. I want your answer about how holograms would be created outside-in and not downloaded in the brain (because that's how it should be in the theory, outside-in, to solve the problem of having vision problems), solve this paradox.
Replied on: 11:39am 09-11-2019

Dear Lana,

You are ignoring the fact that the "blurry" image you would see without your glasses IS the hologram, and "needing" your glasses to see is part of your holographic experience. The proof is the Multiple Personality Disorder who needs glasses to see when one personality is present, but does not need those glasses when another personality takes over. The exact same eyes are involved physically. So "vision problems" are part of the projected hologram. Understand?

9:14am 08-29-2019
Randall C Scott

Location (State or Country)

CA
"The entire root of your problem is that you cannot get out of yourself." (François Fénelon)

Spiritual Autolysis will eventually reveal how you identify with your fear. How one identifies with false self.
Replied on: 12:49pm 08-29-2019

Dear Randall,

So true. Thanks.

5:14pm 08-28-2019
Tom

Location (State or Country)

WA
Thanks for including me because I think this is fun. I suppose that is what I respect most about Stephen is that he strikes me as being in it for the adventure of it and not for "spiritual growth".

I only give advice to myself and when I read Sebastian's post here's the advice that I have for me

Your self is never going to really be destroyed. It will only be seen differently, for what it is not (because I don't think it is possible to truly ever know exactly what the self is). But when you see what it is not you will be astonished (and of course you will feel more alone than ever :) I saw what my self was not about two months ago and my understanding of what it is not continues to clarify.

Jed McKenna says that pretty much all of us are human children with practically zero chance for things developing otherwise. So if you are into this writing down stuff business, then maybe write down what some of the traits are that would be considered childish. For example, let's say you are given a toy, but you say to your parent that it isn't what you really want and then you will whine and throw a fit, because you want what you want.

I like it that you said you have a great wife, and a fantastic son and another baby on the way. Those are blessings. A person who looks like an adult but who is a human child might have a family and a roof over their head, food and so many other blessings, but they might see them as not being right, and spend all their time waiting for things to be fixed.

A child is always shifting her idea of what is the best thing. So she will demand to go to the zoo and then complains the whole time she is there.

So Sebastian you have "no idea what to do next?" you flatter yourself. Do you think you are going to produce outcome through action?

Stephen has already told us what to do next; which is to follow your excitement.
Replied on: 12:49pm 08-29-2019

Dear Tom,

I had to chime in because you touch on something that I feel could be very important to Sebastian, which I tend to overlook sometimes too - to focus and be grateful for what we DO have instead of what we don't have. It made a world of difference in my life when I trained myself (and it does take practice and training) to simply stop my mind whenever I would be whining about my pitiful condition and express my appreciation to my Infinite I for everything - anything - that I was so lucky to have at that moment, even of it was just a roof over my head and a full stomach. So, Sebastian, pay attention to what Tom is telling you and start DOING it.

4:28pm 08-27-2019
Sebastian

Location (State or Country)

UK
Hello,
I'd like to thank you everyone for writing your thoughts here. At the moment I'm working on Spiritual Autolysis on the believe that ,,this book is destroying me". I'll send you my work Stephen soon. But now I'd like to refer to Tom's message. Hi Tom. Thank U for mentioning statements like: ,,Once you wake up, there is no going back", ,,There is nothing to fear", and ,,nothing will ever be the same"...

I'm just trying to understand what is going on here. I feel I know, but damn...This is hard. I mean REAL HARD!. I'm studying Butterflies are free to fly since 2015 and it's very difficut to incorporate this model. All my life I was looking for the truth. And now, there it is, right there, in front of me. But I feel like I'm still blind. Did I went through the door? Can I say I woke up? Am I even exist? Nothing I say, nothing I think or feel is the same than before reading this book. I knew about danger. Stephen warned me. And my question is: Who made that decision in chapter 8? Decision to read to the end. Me or my Infinite I? How is this work? Is it true that every our thought has been design by our Infinite I? Or ,,Higher Self" like Bashar would say? This is amazing. I'm 36, I have family, great wife, fantastic son and another baby on the way. Sounds lovely. At the same time I quit my job recently and do not want to even hear about working. Have no money, no idea how to pay next month rent, lost almost all my friends. No idea what to do next. Sometimes I think about leaving this continent and sometimes I think about death. Like death is the only way out ,,from this prison, this ZOO'' like agent Smith would say. What is going on here.
Replied on: 11:25am 08-28-2019

Dear Sebastian,

All the questions you have are normal questions, but you do not need the answers in order to do The Process and Spiritual Autolysis. Your comment(s) are full of beliefs and judgments just waiting to be processed and let go of. And your ego will keep winning as long as you don't do the work. And if you won't do the work, you should put this book down and seek professional help because you're just digging that hole I mentioned in the Introduction deeper and deeper.

When I asked you to send me your Spiritual Autolysis, I expected an email several minutes later sending on the work you had already done. Instead I get another comment and no SA. I can't help you that way. Nobody can. So you can either start doing the work or find some other Guestbook to commiserate on.

Not to beat a dead horse, but it's only "hard, REAL HARD" because you're letting your ego distract you from the work. No one can do the work for you, Sebastian, so pick up that pen and paper and start your SA. If the belief "this book is destroying me" is too difficult, there are plenty of other beliefs and judgments and fears in this comment, like " this prison, this ZOO." Pick one and go for it. And good luck.

And Randall and Tom, if you have any suggestions, please feel free to chime in.

4:54am 08-26-2019
Joy

Location (State or Country)

WA
Hi Stephen,
So today I learned another lesson, I realized that I let go of bigger lessons than the small ones. The bigger and out of control I know that I don’t have control of is easier to let go of versus the money situation where I’d like a outdoor mat or a dog collar that is not important is harder to be okay with not having the immediate money for is more difficult. I am learning to let go and trust but it can be hard and I am the first to admit that I fail and need to even with the “menial” stuff to just let go and trust. It’s not always easy. But I know with time I will learn to let go of even the “stupid” shit ;) Everyday I thankful for my Infinite I and how much I’ve grown. I can’t thank you enough for you!!
I know the more I trust the more I will trust. I’d like to send a photo of an art piece I did but I can’t attach it. Thanks
Joy
Replied on: 1:13pm 08-26-2019

Dear Joy,

You're absolutely right. My own experience has been that it is more difficult to let go of the small stuff than the big stuff. I learned not to judge the size and treat both the same as far as The Process and Spiritual Autolysis go. Reminds me of the poem If.... "If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster and treat those two imposters just the same." In my mind, "If" is still quite a powerful poem. I memorized it when I was 19 and repeated it every day over and over for a few years. I realize it became a fad and almost kitchy, but I still think you can do a lot worse than take it to heart.

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